From: David C. Menges
Subject: O'Reilly's E-Book Strategy
I searched for "eBook" on your site and the first hit is dated 1998. I did find your discussion about their economics, but even it is dated 2000.
I think your site should post something more up-to-date about your status with e-books. For O'Reilly & Associates, such a hip company, to not have an e-book plan is hard for me to understand.
My vote, of course, is that you offer all your books in an e-book format. I tried paper, I tried Safari, but they didn't work for me. On the other hand, I find myself reading e-books on my palmtop in the doctor's office, etc. -- squeezing in study time whenever I can, without carrying a laptop that takes a while to boot.
I suppose I could look for a small web server to run on my palmtop, then download and read Safari books that way, but I'll never get around to it. I don't deny that perhaps e-books should be in HTML format.
I could also use audio books, either in audio (on an iPod) or having textbooks read to me, while I'm driving, etc.
David
Not only do we have an e-book strategy, we have one that's working far better than anyone else's! I'm referring specifically to Safari, and particularly the long-term strategy of which the current Safari service is just the first instantiation.
It's my belief that simply putting a book into some kind of PDF or other representation of the printed book is like pointing a camera at a stage play and calling it a movie. The Internet does morph what people want from books and how they use them. You have to train yourself to look away from the form of a book, and think about its purpose. A fantasy novel and a technical reference book have the same format today, but will they tomorrow? I like to think that EverQuest is more the electronic successor to Lord of the Rings than a downloadable print version of the same. So the question we've asked ourselves is, How is technical reference going to change over time as we all learn how to use the online medium more effectively?
We've always felt that the e-book would either be bigger or smaller than the print book, and that at least in the near term, the web would be the preferred access device. The O'Reilly Network, which offers online content in bite-size chunks, is the "smaller" part of the strategy; Safari, a database of thousands of books that you can search across, is the "bigger" part.
Search is the real beauty of Safari. You can search a single book, or thousands. You can search the full text, or just the code examples. This allows you to find which book has the information you need--something that a downloadable e-book forces you to decide before you purchase.
But search is just the beginning. What's especially important about having a huge XML database of technical content is that you can start to build new services against it, services which, not unsurprisingly, can break things down into smaller bits of content. What's more, Safari is a bet on an increasingly connected future, where people are routinely online, not just from their desktops or even their laptops, but from their PDAs and cell phones. Serving that unwired future requires a big database backend, against which you can serve up just what the user wants.
I think the success of our approach is in the numbers. Safari is now a multi-million dollar business with hundreds of thousands of users, while downloadable e-books have never really taken off. Companies such as MightyWords and Rocket eBooks that bet on stand-alone e-books have failed, while Safari has grown steadily. However, I know that Chris Pirillo has had some success with his GnomeTomes, and Adam Engst has made something of a splash with his recent Take Control series of e-books on Mac OS X, so it's clear that the stand-alone or downloadable market is heating up.
One of the big issues is not just developing the product, but also developing the sales channel. Where and how are these things going to be sold? See my essay, Piracy is Progressive Taxation, as well as my much earlier essay, Publishing Models for Internet Commerce, for more information on why channels of distribution are so important. And of course, part of what we've been building with Safari is a distribution channel.
Note also that neither GnomeTomes nor the Take Control series are "books" as we know them--they are shorter documents, low priced and aimed at disconnected readers. We do think that this market is heating up to the point where it's worth tackling. It's still small, because all of the distribution is direct (there are no established reseller channels), but there are enough users like yourself who want to have disconnected access.
This is perfect timing for phase two of our e-book strategy. Having built the Safari database, we can now offer additional services beyond the web browser interface. These include a custom textbook project (in which professors can mix and match sections from Safari books with their own classroom materials to build their own class-specific textbooks), a downloadable option for Safari subscribers, and a series of shorter documents sold by the piece, à la GnomeTomes.
The timing of your question is good, since we are announcing Safari Max, our first premium channel, on December 2. This will provide our users with offline chapters that they can download. We are using PDF as the format, but if there is demand, we could just as easily use an e-book format (.LIT) or send a clipping to a Palm. We've chosen PDF because the reader is the most ubiquitous. Watch safari.oreilly.com for details.
Another twist to the ebook story is playing out in the online documentation and tools that software companies provide to their developer communities. The most recent release of Microsoft Visual Studio .NET, for example, presents its users with constantly updated lists of links to Help, sample code, articles and whitepapers as they code .NET and Windows applications, providing a self contained learning environment tailored to the needs of the moment. O'Reilly has been testing the viability of this environment for book content by publishing the reference sections of four .NET Nutshells in a format that allows their content to be plugged directly into the Visual Studio dynamic Help system.
The next version of Windows, code named Longhorn, will take integration with Microsoft Help one step further by making it possible for third-party publishers to directly annotate and enhance the MSDN documents. To learn more about O'Reilly's collaboration with Microsoft on this new facility, take a look at Ian Griffith's O'Reilly Network story, Longhorn SDK Annotations .
Safari is also already integrated with the Research Task Pane in Microsoft Office, and we hope that this will be the model for Safari integration with Microsoft's "Whidbey" developer tools release in Spring 2004. You can't do this kind of thing with stand-alone e-books. You need a database. Though the projects with Microsoft are farthest along, we're engaged in similar discussions with other software tools vendors as well.
What's particularly interesting about these efforts to deliver reference and tutorial content through software help engines, using our XML repository as a backend, is that they represent not just a new form factor for delivering the content, but also a new distribution channel. And distribution has so far been the Achilles heel of most stand-alone e-book efforts.
So as you can see, our strategy is to build a flexible data repository supporting XML web services that will allow us to deliver content into a variety of channels--the web, downloadable documents, and software help engines--as they develop.
You also asked about spoken-word books. It's one of my pet projects, actually, but alas one that I haven't managed to get to. In the mid-90s, we produced a series of technical audio interviews on tape, called "Geek of the Week." It was a fun project, but the sales weren't enough to keep it going. More recently, I imagined how cool it would be to build an audio exchange facility on oreilly.com, where anyone who wanted to read a chapter from one of our books could do so, and upload the resulting MP3 file. We'd make them available for free download. I wanted to seed the collection, though, by having one or more of our authors read from their books. And I never got that off the ground. There are a lot of issues after all--how do you read code out loud, for instance? But heck, if anyone reading this column wants to give it a try, send me the MP3 file, and we'll make it available.
P.S. I've written or spoken about e-books more recently than what you seemed to find. Here are a few URLs:
I'm not surprised you didn't find them via the O'Reilly site search engine, since not all of them were on oreilly.com. The best way to find what I've written, and links to external essays or interviews, is to go to tim.oreilly.com, where links to my writings and interviews on various subjects have been collected.
You can also find even more via the following Google search. Hey, I found a couple that even I had forgotten! Got to add them to tim.oreilly.com. . . .
Tim
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Lower the holding time of a book
2003-12-09 00:17:37 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
one month is really too much -- you should
lower it to two weeks - it would make your
service much more interesting.
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How to read code out loud
2003-12-05 22:41:35 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
Tim asks, "...how do you read code out loud, for instance?..."
Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic (where I and hundreds of other people volunteer) has been doing it for years. See http://www.rfbd.org/. Unfortunately, their reader's technical guidelines do not appear to be online, but basically, you just do things like read all punctuation marks and say "next" to indicate a new line.
--Bruce
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using Safari search results
2003-12-04 13:39:19 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
One problem with using the results of the search, is that I need to add the book to my bookshelf in order to use it. An improvement would be if I could add chapters to my bookshelf. For example I have a 5 book bookshelf. If this could be used as a 4 book plus 10 chapter bookshelf it would be a lot more useful.
I did a search for ServiceController.ServiceType and it comes up with 4 books. At the time I really only wanted example programs that showed how to set the interact with desktop capability since the ServiceType property was read only. I didn't want to grab a book for 30 days just to see if the book had anything useful. I found the aswers by posting a question in microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp. If there was a complete book on Windows Services in .NET, I would have added it to my bookshelf. Since these 4 books each had only a single chapter on Windows Services, it would have been nice to just add those chapters to my bookshelf.
At this point downloadable pdf files are of little use, since I only have desktop computers, which are always online. Maybe I can save the occasional chapter befor removing the book from my bookshelf.
Bill
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Other Disciplines/Fields
2003-12-02 16:29:53 ptrourke [Reply | View]
I've found Safari's whole model (the bookshelf, complete search, bookmarks, etc.) a terrific experience, and wish books in the other areas in which I do research were also available. Have you considered extending Safari beyond IT, or opening other eBook services? -
Other Disciplines/Fields
2003-12-04 10:59:52 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
How about more publishers?
I would like to see Morgan Kaufmann books added to Safari.
How about more out of print books?
Recently I was trying to find some good books about Neural Networks. I ended up buying some out of print books from Amazon marketplace.
Bill
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O'Reilly's E-Book Strategy
2003-11-26 19:51:10 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
Not long ago I hated pdf files. In version 5 they fixed the scroll bars, and version 6 seems to have improved fonts. Now the problems are: I can't fit a whole page on the screen and still be able to read it. I can't easily flip back and forth. How do I stick fingers and pens into sections that I want to jump to easily.
This article reminded me that I am paying for Safari and I haven’t used it for a few weeks.
I was using my coffee breaks to get up to speed on agile programming techniques, but lugging big books around to spend 10 minutes reading wasn’t very convenient. I give up on that and now carry a Si-Fi novel in my jacket pocket.
If I could fit Safari, Longhorn, Visual Studio and Office into a notebook computer, I might just buy one. The problem would be folding the keyboard and screen up into the size of a novel.
Bill
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Safari monthly subscription sometimes feels leechy
2003-11-25 14:46:14 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
I really like using safari, but sometimes I feel leeched each month when I see my subscription go out. I've got to keep paying to keep my account active (or at least thats my understanding). This is the case even if I haven't updated my bookshelf or looked at the site that month.
Music subscription models are often criticized for this . . .
Any chance of offering safari content up in an iTunes pay once and its yours model? Something like $20 for the book and $2 per chapter with no recurring subscription fee. I recognize the flexibility of the current buffet bookshelf model, but it doesn't seem to fit my wants/needs very well at the moment.
I've found a few very useful chapters but am not enthused about the entire content of some of the books. Yet with safari I've got to keep shelling out just to keep my bookmarks useable! -
Safari monthly subscription sometimes feels leechy
2003-12-11 13:52:38 Mary Hubben [Reply | View]
I'm sending your comments (along with the other Safari comments posted here) to the Safari folks at feedback@safaribooksonline.com. Just wanted to be sure you all are aware of that alias for Safari critiques and suggestions. We/they need to hear your thoughts. -
Safari monthly subscription sometimes feels leechy
2003-12-12 15:02:32 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
Thanks!
When I cancelled my safari subscription I linked through to this article . . .
Here is an article detailing steve jobs criticism of music subscription models. I believe alot of the critiques are valid for books as well.
http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen.asp?pid=2529
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Sounds like a search problem...
2003-11-24 17:30:53 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
"I'm not surprised you didn't find them via the O'Reilly site search engine, since not all of them were on oreilly.com. The best way to find what I've written, and links to external essays or interviews, is to go to tim.oreilly.com, where links to my writings and interviews on various subjects have been collected."
Maybe it's just me, but shouldn't the oreilly site search engine find and match references to anything listed in tim.oreilly.com? Even if the directory/file structure of the "tim" subdomain resides elsewhere, the whole point is that to the end user it's part of the oreilly.com site and including it in the search function of the main oreilly.com site makes sense. -
Sounds like a search problem...
2003-12-11 12:37:12 Mary Hubben [Reply | View]
The O'Reilly site search does index everything listed on tim.oreilly.com. All three of the URLs Tim provided are returned when you search on words related to those interviews. If anyone can give an example of a search that doesn't return an obvious match, I'll certainly look into it. The trick, of course, is making sure all pertinent keywords are included in the metadata, and I've no doubt we could always improve/expand the metadata associated with any given page.
The other trick is making sure we list all of Tim's interviews, talks, and so on at tim.oreilly.com, and we'll try to be sure we do that. Again, please let us know if you spy anything we've missed.
Mary
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Best O'Reilly E-format
2003-11-23 10:32:05 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
is not Safari. Is not PDF. It's the CD bookshelf collections that have been made available. I don't want to think about not having the Perl CD bookshelf collection on my laptop.
No bandwith or connection issues (need to consult it while on an airplane? no problem). No funky reader issues (yes, PDF readers are ubiquitous, but so are HTML browsers).
I'd love to be able to download the books from Safari. Yes, I'd expect to pay for each book,
but there are a number which I'd use often enough to make it worthwhile.
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Safari
2003-11-23 00:11:00 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
Tim,
Thank you for the update on Safari. I'm looking forward to the PDF downloads in December. I've mainly used Safari as a research tool because when I want to read a book from start to finish I find the computer screen tiresome. I've taken to printing HTML pages from Safari and reading a few pages at a time on the to/from journey on the bus. PDF format will make for easier printing as well as easier computer screen reading. What sort of protection scheme will you be using for the PDF documents? It would seem they would make piracy of your books very easy.
Thanks for listening,
-Kelly



In the paper world, there is one difference - we rely on certain brands to tell us what is relevant and worth following from all the information out there. Usually this works by means of a "cicrculated" media such as magazines, catalogs etc. While newsletters are defintely a step in this direction, is Safari considering a more "circulation" driven product too, whether it be a print magazine or a nore sophisticate form of an electronic magazine.
As in the case of Safari, where the power of a schema was harnessed to provide relevant information on demand, can this extend to circulated information such as magazines and catalogs? Does this model have to be limited to the tech industry? Its worth noting that in other industries where the rate of change is lower, books are not published so frequently, rather its magazines and catalogs containing a mix of experiences, examples, commercial information and news that dominate.
P.S. Acrobat Reader v6, married to pdf 1.4/1.5 is an amazing tool for on-Screen reading.
Peeyoosh