March 7, 2006
Mortgage spamming kit up for auction
Somebody is selling a mortgage spamming kit on eBay. (OK, he's actually calling it a Real-time mortgage lead Delivery and filter system.)
The seller, who says his name is Jason Pitts and claims to live in Tucson, Arizona, wants no less than $6,000 for some website forms and a database of thousands of "mortgage lead buyers," and a similar amount of "recent mortgage leads." (I especially like the little "We are compliant with CAN-SPAM" graphic that comes with the package.)
The auction appears to be some kind of going-out-of business fire sale, maybe because Pitts got listed on the Spamhaus Register of Known Spam Operations.
Pitts, who also goes by the handle J_Data, announced the auction on the SpecialHam.com spammers forum last month and apparently didn't get any takers.
Get it while it lasts.
Posted by brian at March 7, 2006 11:40 PM
I wonder if this Jason Pitts is the U.S. Border Patrol aviation enforcement officer mentioned in this story in Tucson's Arizona Daily Star newspaper:
Posted by: Jim Lippard at March 8, 2006 2:04 PM
I just wanted to thank you for promoting my auction. I have had tons of hits since you put that article up. I would hate to think that by you advertising it as a Spam kit that it would be used for evil once it leaves my hands. I have worked hard over the last few years of my life to do everything I do ethically, just to have my business ripped away by rising interest rates, Scam artists who post random information over my forms to boost their paycheck and slanderers and propaganda artists like Spam house who can act like judge jury and executioner without a trial.
Since you have provided an open forum for me to reply; which, I appreciate by the way, I thought I would clear a few things up. Honestly the Spamhause listing really didnâ€™t affect me much. If anything, should I have chosen to work with non-compliant mailers it would have boosted my business substantially. I had those guysâ€™s contacting me right and me left, they consider it â€śstreet credit.â€ť In reality I have found Spamhaus to be more of a spammer support service than anything.
The ROKSO listing did however cause me to have to jump through a few extra hoops with some of my better-known clientele. I had to open new companies and pay someone to manage that company while I did the real work on the back-end; however, none of these companies really cared that I was listed, most of them had a plan in place for dealing with people in my situation and I simply had to follow their guidelines.
You may think that this is a negative thing and that there are companies out there that are purposefully breaking the law, but in reality they see spamhaus for what it is. They know that people are unjustly listed on spamhaus and not removed after the period of time that their policy states you will. My unfortunate listing was caused by an attack by a spammer who was upset that I would not do business with him, but unfortunately there is no way for me to prove that and even if I could it would not make a difference to spamhaus.
Special Ham remains one of the most popular public forums for online advertisers, not everyone who reads SH or posts to SH is involved in spamming or other illegal activities. I have found it to be a place where I can network with hundreds of people involved in legitimate compliant and even non-mail related advertising. The forum has its share of spammers and scammers, but I found a lot of decent very hardworking ethical people on that board that I was happy to do business with. The largest problem with special ham is you have a lot of â€śAnti Spammersâ€ť who because of their feelings about the industry have decided to make their living steeling large sums of money from anyone and everyone they come in contact with through the forum.
I know I have just opened up the gates for a ton of flaming and I know the general feeling of a lot of you out there is that even compliant e-mail is spam and that is fine for you to have that opinion, but the fact remains that I have never broken a single spam law in my country, I have never hid in the shadowâ€™s, I have always required that anyone promoting for me had not only their contact and opt-out information available, but also a mailing address for me directly linked to every page throughout any site they promote for me and if I found that they werenâ€™t doing this I terminated them immediately. I want to thank Spam Kings again for the opportunity to reply. Now feel free to flame away.
Posted by: Jason Pitts at March 8, 2006 2:06 PM
LoL no we are not the same person. Who knew I would share a name with somone in the same city.
Posted by: Jason Pitts at March 8, 2006 2:30 PM
Seriously, the whole "I want to thank you for promoting me" approach to an exposure of ones wrongdoings and/or wrongdoings is so out of style for you sleazebags. I like it better when you you deny everything, which you pretty much failed to do.
Posted by: Eik C at March 9, 2006 2:04 PM
Correction to the above - the second "wrongdoings" should have been "criminal activities". Some issues with Firefox keeps bothering me on this site, but not too serious, really.
Posted by: Eik C at March 9, 2006 2:07 PM